In 2007 the Solicitor General made the following public directive regarding the Bain case:
"I want to emphasise that in our system of justice, it is a jury which determines guilt or innocence in a case such as this. The jury reaches its decision after it has considered ALL the evidence and after receiving directions on the law from the trial Judge. Guilt or innocence of an accused person is not decided by the media or public opinion polls. Those who attempt to usurp or try to influence the trial process risk facing a charge of contempt of court."
This statement was made in relation to the rule of sub judice, which is a rule that exists primarily to protect those individuals participating in legal proceedings from being influenced by public discussion, most often in the traditional media. Included amongst the people beng protected are the jury. If, prior to a trial, a prominent commentator writes an editorial about how the defendent in an upcoming trial is a murderer and a fiend, then that is considered a breach of this rule and a prosecution may be forthcoming.
Indications of jury misconduct in the 2009 retrial
There are some who argue that research indicates that juries are seldom if ever influenced by media events and that freedom of expression should hold the trump card, for instance Michael Guest. Obviously all of this can be discussed and argued and discussed and argued again, but by relying on research, we are giving research the power of judgment which should be in the hands of the jury. Regardless of what some people's research says, when a trial has been announced it would seem to me that there is nothing to be gained by the public in knowing anything about the trial except for relevant dates and personalities involved, and then, as the trial unfolds, responsible reporting of events. In my opinion then, the reprinting of David and Goliath in 2007 in light of the sub judice rule AND the Solicitor General's directive, was a violation of sub judice.
The Solicitor General considered the reprinting of David & Goliath to be "extremely irresponsible"
The Solicitor General considered taking Karam and his publisher to court for contempt for reprinting the book, but refrained from doing so largely because of a precedent that had been set in Solicitor General vs Fairfax 2008 which led him to decide that the threshold for contempt in such situations was too high to be worth proceeding. Key to this was the consideration that two years between publication and trial date is too long a time for influence to take place. Subsequently this case was never actually tested in court. However, the reprinting of David and Goliath differs from the Fairfax case in a number of ways:
Therefore the case for violation of sub judice should be stronger in this case.
If anything needs to happen in the current Minister of Justice's efforts to improve our Justice system, then we need to clarify and confirm sub judice rules and their purpose and make them enforceable. The Bain case sets a worrying precedent for future instances of Trial by Media.
I might add that David and Goliath did cop it for publishing the name of a witness who had name suppression in relation to the retrial (but obviously not the original trial since this person's name appears in the book). And for breaching a suppression order, the punishment involved a written apology to the person in question.
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From the Herald in 2000, Karam said:
"I'm not anti-police. I'm quite a redneck on matters of crime and punishment. I have absolutely no problem with cops in general. I didn't think David was innocent but I did think that his conviction was extraordinarily unsafe. And when I got the bum's rush from them on it, I thought something was up."
Maybe change the system
Just a comment.While I believe the jury system works ok most of the time,it is obvious it didn't in the Bain retrial.When I first heard the result I blamed the jury,but from what I have seen in the last week or two,I can see where the jury could have been confused,in fact were confused.
Last week a trial had to be stopped because a juror accessed something on the internet they were not supposed to.
What with the internet,and the fact that any good lawyer can confuse a jury with smoke and mirrors,I now believe that the system does need to be changed.
I am now thinking that we should have a "three judges" system,the same as I believe they have in France.
I think that having three judges would cut down the use of the "attempt to confuse"tactics adopted by defence lawyers now.I have seen quite a few cases in the US where clever lawyers have got an obviously guilty client acquited,they probably need to change their system too.
The Bain retrial could be the catalyst.That's my opinion,anyway.
Yes, well the idea of
Yes, well the idea of discussing trial verdicts we are not happy with is that we have a chance of helping to change the system to improve it for future use. The jury system is about 1000 years old now and probably needs an overhaul. Before writing this blog I made some additions to our Submission which will eventually be our main means of communicating as a group directly to the Ministry. I feel that we need to flesh that document out a bit more before it is ready to send.
French system
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/child-abuse-trials-collapse-pitches-french-justice-system-into-crisis-564035.html
Seems I was wrong about the French system having three judges.
I think that article is
I think that article is unfairly prefaced or at least the reference there is not to the system of judges but to the treatment of child witnesses. A similar thing happened in the Ellis case in Chch where child testimony was taken too seriously.
Swiss judicial system
The Swiss judicial system is one that I would prefer.
Swiss system? French system?
Swiss system? French system? Any bloody system apart from the one we have now!!!
I think the trial was too
I think the trial was too long. After that period of time people lose perspective and just want to get back to their lives in the quickest manner possible.
We could do something with this. No names of course.
Couldn't agree more
Yes,the trial was too long.I wonder if that was part of the defence plan.There was just too much information.Baffle them with science.
When the result came out I blamed the jury,and while I still believe that at least a couple of jurors should not have gone along with the not guilty verdict,I do have a better understanding as to why that jury could have been quite confused.
No it is not part of any
No it is not part of any defence plan, it is part of the legal profession's desire to ensure that "all evidence can be heard". But we know that is bunkum anyway because there are so many rules preventing all evidence from being heard. Just like politicians who do not want to remove their own travel privileges, the legal profession do not want to put limits on trial lengths. They have vested interests. The only way to put a limit on it is via political means and that is something that we can do as a group. That is how democracy works.
So he wasn't confused
Read your post after Kent's, Vic.Just goes to show.In a way you can't blame him,but I can't help but wonder if he now wishes he had held out for a hung jury,given all the controversy that not guilty verdict has caused.
I don't think you should
I don't think you should presuppose what this juror thought, but you might like to go back through all the items I proposed for how the jury verdict was obtained. Amongst those is the fact that DB had already served 13 years and did not appear to be a further threat to society.
They seemed to drag it out
Ok,there was a mountain of evidence to go through,but it would appear the defence dragged the trial out .But maybe not.
And I agree that the fact that Bain had served 13 years could have had a bearing on the jury's decision.I have met a few people who make that very point.
And I guess it would be fair to say that Bain is not a threat to society,just so long as those black hands don't come back.I mean wouldn't it be terrible if he saw those black hands taking uncle Joe away from him.
In an effort to be fair to
In an effort to be fair to accused people, the system has bent over backwards to help them, and these sorts of trials are getting out of hand, they spent as much time talking about whether there was a motive for Robin Bain as they did talking about the actual evidence for murder, there should be strict rules for this sort of thing, at the end of the day the trial should have been about the evidence for murder, if it was I think they would have come to the right conclusion, the defence were experts at allowing the jury to loose focus by introducing irrelevant rubbish, like the photocopy salesman crap testimony, and the system gave them the authority to do that. At the end of the day the evidence for murder is what counts in my book, all the rest is a side show and smoke screen.
I dont believe he thinks
I dont believe he thinks anything about the case Mike, Sort of "Oh well, pleased thats over with" . Jury service seems to be just a hiccup in the daily routine, get it done,get it over with, get outta there, get it out of their head!!